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Structural Engineers Association of Alaska

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Declined prod. Only 2 google news hits which are local press from Anchorage as per WP:AUD. Fails WP:ORG. LibStar (talk) 16:46, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Straight Mountain, Alabama

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This article was soft deleted at AfD in 2021 due to lack of participation. Nothing has changed since that discussion; the rationale still applies.

Topo maps show a ridge called Straight Mountain. There is no sign of a community at the location; this appears to be a WP:GNIS error. –dlthewave ☎ 16:28, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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J. Bhagyalakshmi

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WP:BLP of a writer, not properly sourced as passing WP:AUTHOR. As always, writers are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because their work exists, and the notability test hinges on the quality and depth of the sourcing that can be used to independently verify their significance -- but this article is referenced entirely to her own writing metaverifying its own existence in Google Books directory entries rather than any evidence of GNG-building coverage and analysis about her, and the article has been tagged for sourcing problems since 2010 without ever having any better sourcing added.
Nothing stated here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt her from having to have much, much better referencing than this. Bearcat (talk) 15:23, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep I have found reviews of three of her books on JSTOR, and added them to the article. There was also a more trivial mention on Proquest. DaffodilOcean (talk) 18:06, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I researched the subject and found the author's name mentioned in some old books. Additionally, there are a few reviews available on JSTOR. I believe this should be sufficient for an author. Baqi:) (talk) 15:37, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Save America (book)

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No content that would be sufficient for a separate article. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 16:07, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Metametaethics

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Surprisingly, there are quite a few results on Google Scholar for metametaethics (or variants such as meta-metaethics) but almost all of them are just passing mentions. And many of the passing mentions are explicitly skeptical of the term:

Even Dreier (who is most associated with the term) does not seem to go into much depth about what metametaethics is in the papers I could find [1][2][3]. This Spanish paper seems to suggest that the term has not been used in a unified manner in the literature up to this point and most treatments are isolated examples without any comprehensive coverage. Having said all that, there do appear to be some sources that give more than a passing mention (e.g. [4][5]), so I wanted to hear other editors' thoughts. For me, these sources give too scattered and scant discussion to meet WP:GNG, particularly when each author uses the term in a different way (implying there is no unified concept to cover). Maybe this term will be used much more in the future, but I think it is currently WP:TOOSOON. Shapeyness (talk) 16:03, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Andrej Hanták

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Hanták played 392 minutes of professional league in 2012 before disappearing later that year. In of reliable secondary sources, the only coverage I found is a passing mention on Dnes24. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:53, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Gen Z Manifesto

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This fails every part of WP:NFILM or the explanatory essay at WP:NTV. A cursory search doesn't bring anything useful. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 14:34, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Holidays (musical)

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The article fails WP:N in any sort of ways as I could not find third party reliable notability to assert creation of an independent article. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 14:27, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Schengen Cloud

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Lack of notability Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 13:45, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - Seeing that this is a second nomination, a bit more in the nom. might have been helpful. I don't think there is a Schengen Cloud, nor ever really was. European countries do make certain requirements on the transit and storage of European data, that prevents processing in the U.S. in many cases, but the US companies offering cloud services have adapted to this by providing guaranties that data is not transited or processed outside of Europe. There is no parallel cloud service. Companies merely adapted to the political and legal reality. So, on that basis, I do not think there is an article here. It might be a useful footnote in another article. Having said that, some editors at the last AfD felt there were the sources for something. Revirvlkodlaku What is your analysis of the sources in the article? And is there a redirect/merge target available? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 19:58, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The article is sourced and no arguments have been brought up why the sourcing is insufficient. Cortador (talk) 22:04, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And what sources, precisely, do you think establish notability? Not all sources establish notability, per WP: SIGCOV. HyperAccelerated (talk) 22:35, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ask the nominator. Doing a BEFORE is their job. Cortador (talk) 16:15, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That doesn't answer my question. I asked what sources you think establish notability. Whether you think the nominator did a BEFORE is totally irrelevant to what I'm asking. You are the one who issued a Keep vote, not them. HyperAccelerated (talk) 22:20, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Edward Snowden#Europe. There are some sources that speak about this. For instance The Politics of data Transfer (2017) and Sustainability in a Digital World (2014). However what these describe is the idea, and that firmly wedded to the Snowden revelations that led to the consideration and politics of this. That second source states To cope with this challenge, Germany and France were considering a so-called "Schengen Cloud" system... That is, the source verifies that this is not something that exists, and certainly not by that name. It was a political idea occasioned by surveillance of European's private information by the U.S. The source explains the diplomatic hurdles that would exist and points out that it would not altogether work. It was a political idea that never went beyond the talking stage. But the talk is still information. Not about an actual Schengen Cloud - that does not exist and we should not have a page on it. But we should mention it, and the Snowden page appears to be the most appropriate article to cover this as it has a reactions section, and specifically a European reactions section. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 15:59, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Examples of yellowface

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This is a messy case of what should be named List of media featuring yellowface. Like many such lists, it is poorly referenced, and fails WP:NLIST. Even through the list has a 'notes' column, for many - most - entries there is no explanation/commentary why they are included here (nor reference). This is a messy WP:OR. What little can be salvaged here could perhaps be merged to Portrayal of East Asians in American film and theater, which is where yellowface redirects too, but I doubt there is much we can use here. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:06, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Alexandria Riordan

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Non-notable figure skater; PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 13:55, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. Will do a bold redirect. (non-admin closure)‎ Plasticwonder (talk) 11:30, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adroitness

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The concept is not supported by the references, and is a matchup of both synthesized references which do not feature the word "adroitness" at all. WP:DICTDEF also plays a role here because the only references to this word are dictionary pages. On google scholar, even just a cursory search for this term nets only one result which is related to psychology, which this article cites already. The other issue is that none of the other references mention adroitness at all, not to mention the blatantly contradictory statement in the lede. Plasticwonder (talk) 11:13, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Walden Asset Management

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Fails WP:NCORP. Insufficient independent in-depth sources to establish notability. Imcdc Contact 10:47, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Juliana Cannarozzo

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Non-notable figure skater. Bgsu98 (Talk) 09:19, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Bruse Wane

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Insufficient reliable and independent sources to establish Notability. The article also fails the 12 criteria of WP:Music. I would have send it to draft but I discovered that four or five drafts have been abandoned before under different names. Ibjaja055 (talk) 09:06, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This article is properly written and sourced. It is sourced with numerous independent references. Why has it been cited for deletion over the thousands of articles on wikipedia that are no where even as close to being as properly sourced with independent references as this one. People Being Malicious just for the sake of being Malicious needs to be stopped. Edward Myer (talk) 09:18, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - There is a reason earlier drafts of this article were rejected. Bruse Wayne is a serial collaborator who has indeed been mentioned in reliable sources, but almost always in conjunction with the main artists who utilized him as a one-time guest. He has some interviews asking his opinion on rap history because he's been around for a long time, but those do not illustrate his individual notability as a recording artist. I can find no reliable reviews for his solo works. The article also says that he is a member of Mantronix, but if so he joined decades after their glory days, he is not mentioned at their article, and a search indicates that he again only appeared as a guest on one song. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 16:36, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Akkad Bakkad Bambey Bo

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This page was BLARed in October 2023, and now a duplicate article was created at Draft:Akkad Bakkad Bambey Bo (Tv Show), which I moved to draft because of the duplication. Both pages should be merged if kept. CycloneYoris ^talk! 08:20, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Origin theories of Adolf Hitler

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Some articles are walled gardens.This is more like a walled cesspit, a POV fork that can only survive in isolation. Qwirkle (talk) 07:24, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Vabbing

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Two years marked for notability. Flash-in-the-pan? Qwirkle (talk) 06:39, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of songs recorded by Mohammed Rafi (A)

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This article has been around since 2013, yet makes no claim of notability for any of the songs. The only reference is a book called "...130 Popular Songs...", which appears to be just a book of song lyrics, so it does not appear useful as a reliable source. There are a dozen more articles in this set. This article and its siblings appear to violate WP:NOTDIRECTORY or one of the other guidelines on that page. I suspect that List of songs recorded by Mohammed Rafi could be kept if some reliable sources were added, but the alphabetical directory pages should be deleted. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:57, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment the 14 other articles of this form should be bundled with this nomination; I shall do so now. There are no sources that suggest this level of detail is encyclopedic in nature; perhaps @Jax 0677: can explain why these database-detailed articles are notable. Walsh90210 (talk) 22:52, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect - I split List of songs recorded by Mohammed Rafi because it was very long. I will not be upset if this page and others like it no longer exist, but I do suggest redirecting to List of songs recorded by Mohammed Rafi with history in tact so long as that page exists. If that page no longer exists, then I suggest redirecting to Mohammed Rafi with history in tact. --Jax 0677 (talk) 23:20, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Having recorded thousands of songs in multiple languages, this database cannot be entertained here. Lorstaking (talk) 05:10, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why must we delete, and not redirect with history? --Jax 0677 (talk) 23:09, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge - The songs do not require this level of detail, maybe they can be sorted into a single article. Xoocit (talk) 23:04, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
IMHO, we MUST trim the articles before we merge them. That was the whole point of the split. --Jax 0677 (talk) 23:35, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Xoocit, is the Merge target article you are suggesting List of songs recorded by Mohammed Rafi? Please identify a target article whenever you are arguing for a Redirect or Merge outcome. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:44, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - Per WP:R#HARMFUL, "The major reasons why deletion of redirects is harmful are: a redirect may contain non-trivial edit history" / "Therefore consider the deletion only of either harmful redirects or of recent ones". --Jax 0677 (talk) 14:43, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Indonesian VTuber Awards

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Similar to the related page Indonesian Vtuber Awards 2024, this event does not seem to meet the eligibility criteria of WP:GNG WP:EVENT. It also does not have a reliable source to verify the source of the news. Also, the people who are included in the categories or winners do not meet the eligibility criteria according to WP:WikiProject YouTube/Notability (on idwiki: w:id:WP:KONTENKREATOR). Ariandi Lie ^{Let's talk} 06:13, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Harvey Spevak

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Passing mentions in the RS's in the article - most focus on his company, not him. Potential history of COI per article tag from 2020.

The only article I could find where he is the sole subject is this interview from Forbes: https://www.forbes.com/sites/danschawbel/2017/04/07/harvey-spevak-the-leadership-lessons-hes-learned-from-growing-equinox/ Jellyfish (mobile) (talk) 14:42, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Per the prior deletion discussion, this source is a Forbes contributor, so as far as I'm aware it loses its reliability. Notability is not inherited. Jellyfish (mobile) (talk) 14:43, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge with Equinox Group. Not enough reliable sourcing by Wikipedia standards for his own article, but Spevak is all over the internet as both a founder and Executive Charmian of Equinix and Equinox Fitness. — Maile (talk) 17:52, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This sounds like a good alternative to deletion. Jellyfish (mobile) (talk) 00:53, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge with Equinox Group per Maile. Procyon117 (talk) 07:57, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pantodapoi

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Unreferenced stub gives a definition for "Pantodapoi" which appears to be original research as the main sources found online are product pages for "Pantodapoi Phalangite" miniatures made by a maker called "Xyston". Does not meet WP:GNG. Cielquiparle (talk) 04:27, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I'm not expert enough with Greek military units to feel confident in voting, but I did check some typical reference sources, including Harper's Dictionary of Classical Antiquities and Pauly-Wissowa, neither of which has an entry for "pantodapoi". I also checked under "auxiles" or related headwords. A broad search of the classical materials at Perseus turned up the word with reference to a kind of sauce (perhaps I misunderstood) and in a couple of other places, but not with reference to soldiers. A Google search for "pantodapoi soldiers" turned up a set of circular-looking definitions, perhaps based on this article or wherever its definition came from in the first place.

I suspect that what has happened here is that the article's creator confused a description of some auxiliary soldiers with a name for their unit: pantodapoi phalangites means "miscellaneous soldiers (in a phalanx)", not "a particular type of soldiers (natives) making up a phalanx". But it would be nice to see if anyone with more expertise in Greek military history concurs with this. Not certain that the general notability guideline is what's relevant here; if the definition were correct, I think the topic would be notable. But if, as I believe, the article is the result of a misunderstanding, then it can be deleted as though it were a hoax (albeit an accidental one). P Aculeius (talk) 16:29, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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"Endangered Species" (magazine cover)

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Perhaps the worst WP:REFBOMB I've ever seen. Despite the large number of sources, many don't even even mention "Endangered Species", and none are significant coverage.

In the current version citations 1-5 source the background and do not mention the article at all.

6, 7, 8, 9, 11, 12, and 13 are the barest passing mentions of the article.

14 through 20 again are about electoral history but do not even mention the article.

21 is a brief mention where Grunwald says the article didn't hold up and 22 is likewise nothing more than the quote used here.

23-26 are again just passing mentions.

In sum, there's certainly acknowledgement that the magazine's provocative headline was memorably wrong, but there's no substantial analysis of the article or a single source with depth to it to pass GNG – I guess it make sense that the title has simply "(magazine cover)". There's certainly more to be said at Democratic Party (United States)#21st century/Republican Party (United States)#21st century or elsewhere that can reference this, but not a standalone article for this. Reywas92^Talk 05:37, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep or Merge to a TBD target. The WP:RS citations 9, 10, 11, and 13 each provide 1-2 paragraphs of coverage of the magazine cover (not the article) as a subject in itself. While references 23, 24, 25, 26 provide only fleeting, or single-sentence, mentions which don't contribute to SIGCOV, the first four (9, 10, 11, 13) are -- by themselves -- enough to sustain the standard of WP:SIGCOV. The fact the article is unnecessarily long and over-referenced doesn't really impact the WP:N of the subject. It could probably use a good trim but WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP. Chetsford (talk) 05:59, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
9 is a single sentence.11 and 13 are the same source and also a single sentence. 12 simply quotes a single sentence from the article: "As Time magazine reporter Michael Grunwald observed at the time, 'Republicans have the desperate aura of an endangered species...the electorate is getting less white, less rural, less Christian—in short, less demographically Republican.'" with no additional coverage.

No depth whatsover in any of these. So I really fail to see how this is sigcov. Reywas92^Talk 14:34, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The breadth of coverage of the directly related sources which -- per our standards -- do "not need to be the main topic of the source material", taken in combination with those sources that have mere fleeting mentions, collectively define WP:ARTN. But I appreciate we may have to agree to disagree. Best - 18:23, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
I don't expect this magazine article to necessarily be the main topic of the sources, but I do expect more than a single sentence in any one of them. The parties' histories or 2008 United States presidential election#Analysis can reflect the expectations of the time that existed beyond this magazine cover, but the cover itself doesn't need an article. Reywas92^Talk 22:35, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Like I said, I think the "single-sentence" mentions merely reinforce the longer, more focused references and the article may be unnecessarily long and over-referenced. Again, though, I'm happy to agree to disagree. Chetsford (talk) 22:37, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Reywas92's analysis of the sources identified by Chetsford is correct. As with the other sources that refer to the cover, these are WP:TRIVIALMENTIONs of the magazine cover, not WP:SIGCOV. This whole article is full of WP:SYNTH, assembling a narrative that somehow this WP:MILL magazine cover influenced U.S. politics. Take the sentence In 2010, the year after "Endangered Species" was published, the Democratic Party began one of its least successful periods in its modern history. The source for this statement doesn't mention the cover or article at all, so tying it to the claim about Democratic party success is SYNTH. The "Reactions" section is also basically a whole paragraph of SYNTH. Finally, it's unclear whether this page is about the cover or the article (those are distinct things), and the page appears to amass a range of trivial mentions of either the cover or the magazine to synthesize the impression of in-depth coverage that doesn't exist. Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:15, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Carson Vinson

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I am struggling to find sufficient in-depth coverage of the subject to meet WP:GNG. Most of the sources available contain routine coverage of an invite to a college all-star game, with a notable exception being this piece from Alabama News Center, which has maybe a half-dozen sentences of independent coverage of the subject. JTtheOG (talk) 05:08, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@JTtheOG: The piece you linked (here) is a feature story (6,000+ characters) about Vinson. It's clearly SIGCOV. Do you disagree? This one also appears to be SIGCOV. It's pretty rare for offensive tackles to receives this level of coverage. Cbl62 (talk) 21:52, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
While a closer count yields closer to 10 sentences of coverage of the subject (most is quotes), the site itself seems to be some sort of corporate newsletter for Alabama Power, directly describing themselves as "one of several ways [the company] communicates with and advertises to its customers". They also have a section titled allegations of media manipulation on their WP article, but regardless, I do believe that this questionable source + six sentences of coverage of the subject in the AL.com article – which ends with an link to buy tickets to the game and a note that the site "may receive compensation" if you purchase a product through links on their site – at least warrants a discussion. Biographies, but BLPs especially, require strong sourcing. JTtheOG (talk) 23:03, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On the two articles cited in the article, I would say (i) the depth is there in both cases to consitute WP:SIGCOV, (ii) such depth is rare for offensive linemen (especially at non-majors), (iii) AL.com (Alabama's largest media outlet) doesn't fail WP:INDY just because the article provides a link allowing readers to purchase tickets to the Senior Bowl, an annual collegiate all-star game that is played in Mobile, and (iv) I don't see any COI in the piece from Alabama News Center, since there is no connection (unless I'm missing it) between Vinson and the utility company that funds the outlet. Cbl62 (talk) 06:56, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Simply put, a corporate newsletter with no published editorial policy or staff page from an energy company with a shady recent history of media manipulation doesn't strike me as a reliable source to report on college football, especially as the main piece of SIGCOV on a BLP. JTtheOG (talk) 07:36, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see how you can call it "a corporate newsletter". It is a news website owned by a public utility company. While unusual, this is unfortunately an era in which corporate/billionaire ownership of media (including The Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, etc.) has become increasingly common. I don't believe that such ownership taints all of a media outlet's coverage. Clearly, any coverage of the owner's other business interests would involve a conflict of interest and thus be non-independent. However, as stated above, there's no conflict here with reportage on a local college athlete. Even if that were a problem, there's coverage in multiple other media outlets, including those set forth below. Cbl62 (talk) 13:50, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Once again, it’s a matter of reliability not COI. A company’s media wing is not the same thing as a newspaper of record owned by a billionaire. JTtheOG (talk) 18:38, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~. See the points raised above. Also, his notability is supported by being the first player from an HBCU ever selected for the honor of playing in the Senior Bowl. In addition to the two SIGCOV sources already cited in the article, there are others. E.g., (3) this from SI.com focusing of Vinson being the first HBCU player selected to play in the Senior Bowl (quite a historic honor), (4) a six-minute piece from Fox 54 (here) focusing on the historic nature of Vinson's selection for the Senior Bowl, (5) this piece from WHNT Huntsville, and to a lesser extent (6) this from SI.com rating him one of the top offensive tackles in FCS and (7) this rating him as one of the top three HBCU football players. All said, I think it's enough to pass our GNG standard. Cbl62 (talk) 06:56, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment He's not actually the first HBCU player ever selected to the Senior Bowl. There have probably been a lot. Those sources just mean he's the first one (and possibly only one) this year. This additional source about Vinson says "Pro Football Hall of Famer John Stallworth, an Alabama A&M legend and 1974 Senior Bowl alum, was on hand to deliver the invitation." Stallworth was a HBCU Senior Bowl selection in 1974. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:56, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks WikiO. That's helpful and makes Vinson's selection less impressive. I'd probably lean more toward Draftify or a weak keep in that case. Cbl62 (talk) 18:22, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Leaning Keep, per Cbl62. Probably has enough coverage, especially since it's rare for low-level FCS offensive tackles to receive much coverage at all. (Also, WikiOriginal-9 is correct regarding HBCU players at the Senior Bowl. He's the only one this year, not ever, although it looks like there's only been one other across the 2022-25 Bowls per AL.com, so still pretty rare.) BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:44, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Draftify makes sense as well per Cbl62 – given that he was selected to the Senior Bowl, there's a decent chance he could be chosen in the upcoming 2025 NFL draft (in the Alabama News Center article, his coach said that "He's had every NFL team come and look at him this year – He's gonna get drafted in this year's draft".) BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:46, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Julian Humphrey

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Draftify as I am struggling to find much of any in-depth coverage of the subject, failing WP:GNG. Despite the WP:REFBOMB, everything that comes up is basic coverage of either his college commitment (or de-commitment) or his transfer to another school, with some quotes and stats sprinkled in. This is what we would call "routine transactional announcements" in other sports. JTtheOG (talk) 04:20, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. There appears be coverage with real depth. E.g., (1) part one/part two, (2) part one/part two, and (3) this. Cbl62 (talk) 14:44, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep (I was pinged by the article creator, but I was already planning on participating). Cbl62's coverage looks sufficient. Also, I don't buy the "routine" argument – if someone receives SIGCOV for e.g. transferring, then that's SIGCOV in accordance with GNG, especially if it's national-level coverage like we have here. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:55, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep I personally don't think he should be notable enough for Wikipedia - the sources presented are all essentially "he transferred, then he didn't" and are arguably primary, and I only see one source which goes into how he played as opposed to where he signed and it's local, but the sources above go into enough detail about him that it's hard to argue they don't pass GNG. SportingFlyer T·C 20:56, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Island City, Indiana

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It's rare for an "X City" place to fail verification, and I'd like to think there is some information out here that would at least clarify matters here. So far, I've found nothing that wasn't a reference to the mining enterprise. Judging from the oldest topos I've seen, the mine was southeast of the town "site", for they show a strip mine there. Everything else says "rail point", so the most likely history is that they wanted a town there, but it failed. But I cannot prove this nor any other theory. Mangoe (talk) 03:41, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete unless an editor can provide references to several reliable sources that devote significant coverage to Island City, Indiana. Cullen328 (talk) 09:11, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect This newspaper article refers to "the Island City community, south of Linton". This article refers to an incident in which Blacks were forcibly driven out of "Island City, the mining camp a mile south of Linton". I'm not convinced there's enough material there for a full article, but I think preserving it as a redirect to, say, Stocktown Township would be appropriate. Choess (talk) 22:38, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Viola Group

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Fails WP:NCORP. Insufficient independent in-depth sources to establish notability. This article was AFD before but I don't really agree with the provided sources by the now-blocked user. They don't seem to pass WP:SIRS in my view regarding the subject itself. Neither has another user so article has been tagged for multiple issues. It also doesn't help this article is created by a suspected paid editor who has 5 out of 6 articles deleted with this being the last one remaining.

I am submitting this article to look at this again given that NCORP requirements are more stringent now. Imcdc Contact 05:48, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Indonesian Vtuber Awards 2024

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I'm also nominated this article because This event does not appear to meet the notability criteria of WP:GNG and WP:EVENT. Nor does it have a reliable sources to verify. Also the people who are included in the categories or winners do not meet the eligibility criteria according to WP:WikiProject YouTube/Notability (on idwiki: WP:PEMBUATKONTEN). Ariandi Lie ^{Let's talk} 04:38, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. The page was incorrectly moved to a userpage. I moved it back, please do not unilaterally draftify (or userfy) it again unless that becomes the outcome of this AFD. Geschichte (talk) 12:22, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

PAAMCO

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Fails WP:NCORP. Insufficient independent in-depth sources to establish notability. Had a lot of COI and promotional edits. A quick search focuses only on the subject being part of a merger with another entity so the current subject in article no longer operates under this name. Imcdc Contact 04:45, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Trina Pratt

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Non-notable figure skater; fails WP:NSKATE; PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:38, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Unable to find the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. Please ping me if SIGCOV is found. Let'srun (talk) 15:02, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: As per usual, nom fails to address independent coverage of the subject, who meets WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC at the very least. A quick search yields more than decent coverage in The Pueblo Chieftain and SkateToday, for starters. JTtheOG (talk) 22:46, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Aissa Bouaraguia

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Non-notable figure skater; fails WP:NSKATE; PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:37, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Netta Schreiber

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Non-notable figure skater; fails WP:NSKATE; PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:36, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Believe she does satisfy notability. Actually not sure what the issue is about the article. MaskedSinger (talk) 16:40, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Diana Pervushkina

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Non-notable figure skater; fails WP:NSKATE; PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:35, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Svitlana Pylypenko

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Non-notable figure skater; fails WP:NSKATE; PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:34, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ellie Kawamura

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Fabrizio Pedrazzini

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Magic Mike (disambiguation)

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There is only one topic with the name "Magic Mike." Plants vs. Zombies (disambiguation) was deleted for similar reasons. GilaMonster536 (talk) 03:51, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: see WP:SETINDEX -Mushy Yank. 08:58, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Two partial matches and one legit entry (plus DJ Magic Mike, who is covered by the hatnote in the primary topic). The partial matches are also covered by Magic Mike#Sequels. Clarityfiend (talk) 11:09, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. This disambiguation page is not required. The two WP:PTMs are mentioned at the primary topic article, which has a hatnote to the only other use DJ Magic Mike. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:37, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neotia University

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This will need to satisfy either WP:NORG or WP:GNG in order to be considered notable, both of which it fails to do. Although this article cites no usable sources, the sources I found while performing a WP:BEFORE did not have WP:SIGCOV, most of them were only mentioning it's rankings or the events conducted at the university. [6][7][8][9], note that none of these sources identify an individual reporter and have generic bylines as author information, so they all fall under the purview of WP:NEWSORGINDIA. - Ratnahastin (talk) 16:43, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Universities established by statute have always considered to be notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:06, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Necrothesp: Please point out the relevant guideline/consensus. - Ratnahastin (talk) 12:40, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This has consistently been the result of AfDs. Hence consensus. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:45, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The only notability guideline pertaining to universities is at WP:NSCHOOL which states :- All universities, ..... that only provide a support to mainstream education must satisfy either the notability guidelines for organizations (i.e., this page) or the general notability guideline. (Emphasis mine). There's an apparent contradiction here between what you are saying and the guideline, additionally can you also demonstrate how what you are saying is the consensus on notability of universities established by statue.- Ratnahastin (talk) 13:01, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In the somewhat related SCHOOLOUTCOMES RFC,[10] the RFC close found that
Citing SCHOOLOUTCOMES in an AfD makes the circular argument "We should keep this school because we always keep schools". This argument has been rejected by the community.
Rightly so. The page is notable if it meets the appropriate notability guidelines and policy. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 13:05, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note that the RfC only applied to secondary schools and not universities and shouldn't be cited to support any other deletion arguments. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:35, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See my words somewhat related. Circular arguments do not stop being circular when the students at the relevant institution are a couple of years older. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:53, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - No sourcing that I can find that this meets NORG, which would be required for a private university. I would happily move to redirect if someone can find an appropriate target. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 09:12, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jebamani Janata Party

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Non notable political party. The leader of this party gained some notoriety for filing a false affidavit. Has never won an election (never even come close), is not a recognised party with a permanent symbol and therefore should not remain. Fails WP:GNG Jupitus Smart 02:51, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Verne Global

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Fails WP:NCORP. Insufficient independent in-depth sources on subject itself to establish notability. Was previously tagged for notability and other issues for years. Article created by WP:SPA

Disputed PROD. Seems there are WP:COI users coming out all of a sudden when this page hadn't been edited since March this year. Imcdc Contact 02:24, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Driftwood fort

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Not notable. Half the article is a list of individual forts with no lasting significance. ―Panamitsu (talk) 02:10, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I always thought it was non-notable. Now that Panamitsu has come to that view too, I am happy to support deletion. Nurg (talk) 07:18, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Breakers (restaurant)

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Not notable. All sources are for routine coverage (eg closure of individual restaurants) but are not about the business as a whole. ―Panamitsu (talk) 02:02, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Fujitsu Tower

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Trivial coverage in two of the source (only mention Fujitsu Tower in one sentence). The source that is used the most is routine coverage of its sale. And that source is oneroof which isn't a particularly good source. I can not find any good sources online. ―Panamitsu (talk) 01:58, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Charles Fleming Retirement Village

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Not notable as the media coverage is only of the opening and does not show any lasting significance. ―Panamitsu (talk) 01:42, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of Minecraft characters

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This is a fork of content on the main Minecraft article that doesn't warrant its own article. The bulk of this article is a Fandom-style listing of all of the mobs in Minecraft - the kind of thing that Wikipedia avoids being (unless it has good reason). It's a list of game mechanics that isn't (and can't be) written in an encyclopedic way. This list isn't discussed together in secondary, reliable sources. There are few notable topics here - namely Steve, Creeper, and Herobrine, which already have their own articles. But the rest just lists parts of the game.

Anyway, I argue this article does not warrant a Wikipedia article because it fails the notability of lists. Its content is adequately covered in the main Minecraft article. JackFromWisconsin (talk | contribs) 01:01, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. As the nominator says, these mobs are not really distinct "characters" and are more or less gameplay elements with little notability attached to their names. This list isn't really warranted, and is better off removed for the time being. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 01:25, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This isn't really a "list of characters" so much as a list of enemies, i.e. gamecrufty. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 01:51, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2030 in sports

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Declined PROD. Page was created too soon. List is completely unsourced and contains only one single entry. Almost eligible for speedy deletion under criterion A3. CycloneYoris ^talk! 00:46, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, it's not even a complete list and way too soon. I agree this could be speedy deleted. Esolo5002 (talk) 05:25, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Weak keep – I added events from Category:2030 in sports, which brought it up to eight entries. At the very least it's definitely not eligible for speedy deletion anymore. jlwoodwa (talk) 05:45, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:CRYSTAL. Lorstaking (talk) 07:28, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:TOOSOON. Procyon117 (talk) 08:00, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Absolutely WP:TOOSOON. This page won't have use for at least another couple of years. Beachweak (talk) 12:04, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. We should stamp out the perceived need to create articles more than half a decade ahead of its time. Wikipedia does not hold a contest for fastest creation of articles. More articles on future or even current events need to develop in draft space first, that what is the case today. Geschichte (talk) 12:24, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 12:39, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sommer Ray

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Biography of a non-notable person which has been the focus of multiple socks in two groups. A paid piece? Cabayi (talk) 10:28, 15 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: as WP:TOOSOON. Most probably will be notable but suggest waiting at least a couple of years and preferably having an unaffiliated editor write it. Ceethekreator (talk) 11:51, 15 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Naturally, there are no reliable sources out there about her. But people will continue making pointless articles on what is supposed to be an encyclopedia, about "Instagram famous" people who have no factual notability to their name and are simply known for having a big booty. Oh well. Trillfendi (talk) 17:42, 16 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete per WP:A7. The Forbes source is just a link to a search bar, not even a results page. This is presumably the intended article, but there's nothing useful there. —⁠烏⁠Γ ^(kaw) │ 22:35, 16 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: as WP:TOOSOON not yet WP:GNG Lubbad85 (☎) 23:29, 16 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: no major reliable sources about the subject, and not yet WP:GNG. —Javert2113 (Siarad.|¤) 03:54, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: fails GNG. - Scarpy (talk) 17:55, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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