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20 CCCP incident

Until we know more about Jintao apparently being thrown out of the 20 CCCP against his will, we don't have any obvious choices of which section the incident should go in, nor how much WP:DUE weight it should be given.

For the moment I put "Retirement", since it's clear that it's an incident during his retirement - please either edit or propose better names, or justify why it should go into one of the existing sections. It doesn't quite count as leadership (we could speculate that he whispered to Xi Jinping "This is dictatorship! A third term is unacceptable!", but that's pure speculation, and even in that case, it would be a political action, but rather anti-dictatorship than leadership); it can't be described as a political position without knowing (based on a WP:RS, not just speculation) the reason for his being thrown out; it's not really a legacy of his time in power.

Until/if the mainstream media give more weight to the incident, it will be difficult to justify the incident in the lead. After all, the official media will very likely claim that he fell ill - he looks frail and at his age, medical incidents are likely. Boud (talk) 10:33, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Should he be marked as dead yet? Jungping100 (talk) 12:55, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Jungping100: No, see Wikipedia:Speculation. Sources must be reliable and must confirm he was purged; he is still alive until proven otherwise.~~ lol1VNIO👻 (I made a mistake? talk to me) 16:02, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

139.5.242.193 (talk) 13:14, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Video shows:

1) Hu refuses to get up when young officer tried to force him. His eye glasses are taken off.

2) Hu wants to carry his notes & white paper but Xi snatches it and doesn't allows to take papers. Similarly the young officer also takes his hands off those papers.

3) The man next to Hu wants to support Hu .....but another man signals at his back to sit because Xi is looking straight at him. So this man sits quiet uncomfortably.

4) It's horrible & unexpected for Hu.

5) BBC Reporter is so much afraid of China that he speaks blatant lies while reporting & calls it a health issue of Hu. rest is History....Video Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAwoZMvRirA

139.5.242.193 (talk) 13:14, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Blatant lies? It seems a reasonable guess. He did walk in, but could have been overcome.

In any case, if it is not health, it could be some kind of political move. Perhaps a purge?

Chinese social media, controlled by the government, blacked out the incident. Those who knew, commented on old posts about him. A little later, all references to him were deleted, presumably to stop that. All these shenanigans have a place in the article, once it is figured out what is going on. 2601:647:5800:3B60:914D:48E2:1DE4:E52A (talk) 15:02, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Long version

This video shows a longer version and at the end of the video one can see that Mr. Hu can walk quite fast, so the speculation that he was too ill to attend the meeting is clearly absurd.--Myosci (talk) 14:22, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Important aspects of this story that should be added to this article in order to provide a fuller and more accurate picture of what actually happened: footage shows one of the two men taking Hu's eyeglasses and attempting to physically lift him out of his seat. Also, the fact that Xi Jinping nods (apparently in agreement with the decision to remove Hu from the room) after Hu appeals to Xi as he is being led out. 76.190.213.189 (talk) 20:28, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedians' interpretations of videos don't count. A few brief interpretations are not completely forbidden, but we can only add details like this if reliable sources describe them and consider them significant ("notable"). We currently have both interpretations in the article: health incident versus political humiliation.

If you wish to propose a specific edit, then please see WP:EDITREQ. If your proposal is likely to be uncontroversial, then, as stated there, you can try immediately with step 2. If it's controversial, then go back to step 1 to obtain consensus first. Boud (talk) 20:40, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Watch the scene before the removal of Hu as Xi speaks to an aide and how Hu reacts. [1] That's not the reaction of someone who's mentally disturbed or inaware of the situation. And he can walk also with rather fast pace and in an upright posture.[2]

So the term "illness" relates to "social health" and angering the party's numero uno is surely considered a serious "social health" issue. How people with "social health" faults will be treated according to Xi's way of unifying China could be seen in the Xinjiang internment camps. Doesn't mean that I'm a supporter of Hu, but repeating the phrase "illness" is speaking for the CCP! --Myosci (talk) 21:33, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Spinout article created?

Hu Jintao's departure from the 20th National Congress of the Chinese Communist Party was recently created, so I tagged this as a content fork of here. Should this stay separate or should it be merged to the main article? AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 21:23, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think the incident is notable enough to have its own article. BarleyButt (talk) 21:29, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

BarleyButt, can you fill in a {{Copied}} template to put on the talk pages, and then trim down and hatnote the article here? AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 21:47, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I'm not sure which content was copied from where. @Lytstoriock: as the article creator, could you fill out the template? Thanks. BarleyButt (talk) 21:49, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Also notifying 海牙阿森, who may have also copied content on that page. – BarleyButt (talk) 22:54, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The article is basically translated from its Chinese version but then I found there had been some related content in the English version of 20th National Congress of the Chinese Communist Party so I just copy-pasted them to the new article. 海牙阿森 (talk) 00:41, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I have added the copied template and the translated page templates to the departure article's talk page. You can remove the "content fork" tag there. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 15:23, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Question

I was reading the article and wanted to propose adding the following paragraph somewhere:

Cai haoyu, liu wei, luo yuhao of Mihoyo are guilty of funneling all their resources to serve the personal interests of hu's family. For this they need to be investigated and punished. liu shares the same surname as Liu Yongqing, the wife of hu. This is why liu brings down all other chinese people to serve the selfish interests of hu. Liu Wei (businessman) (刘维) is also called liu yong and shares the same name as liu yongqing, so that is why it took so long to arrest the mafia boss liu wei. This shows how corrupt the hu administration was. For these crimes, cai haoyu, liu wei, luo yuhao deserve capital punishment. Liu yongqing, her spouse, and the hu family deserve this as well (one-shot them). Ayatosimp (talk) 00:19, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

nth Paramount Leader

The intro section describes Hu as the fifth Paramount Leader. Wasn't he the fourth Paramount Leader? All the articles I've seen list him fourth after Mao, Deng, and Jiang.

A footnote describes the meaning and significance of the term "Paramount Leader" (arguably redundant since the term itself leads to it's of Wikipedia page) but doesn't provide a citation or explanation for this ordinal designation.

I'm no China expert, so I'm reluctant to make an edit. Can anyone else weigh in? Cfwschmidt (talk) 23:28, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cfwschmidt there was also Hua Guofeng, who was briefly paramount leader after Mao's death, before being ousted by Deng. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 05:50, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]