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A note about turgidity, flaccidity and overinflation within a cell wall? 66.75.246.149 04:17, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

a cell wall is fully permeable

<<most protists do have cell walls; only amoeba etc. don't.>>

The ciliates do not have cell walls, and it is arguable whether the "test" of forams and radiolarians should be considered the same thing as a cell wall. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:11, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

does a cell wall protect a cell? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.19.249.25 (talk) 22:06, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What's the story...

...with the image link? Clicking on this link starts the file upload dialogue. Is this a temporary thing? --RunningFree 21:28, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It works fine now. Supergrunch 18:15, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Genus Mycoplasma bacteria

...don't have cell walls. Perhaps the enumeration of organisms should read "most bacteria". Cf.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycoplasma —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.30.181.95 (talk) 08:09, 6 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(new) more about the Fungal Cell Wall section...

I am wondering whether maybe this paragraph needs some further adjustment. As far as I understood, fungal cell walls are composed of (from inside out):

chitin layer (following the plasmamembrane)
a layer of β-1,3-glucan
a layer of mannoproteins (= mannose-containing glycoproteins) which are heavily glycosylated towards the outside

Most of the glucosamine units found in the cell walls are in fact the subunits of chitin, since chitin is a cellulose-like polymer consisting mainly of unbranched chains of N-acetyl-D-glucosamine. Chitin = Polymeric N-acetyl-D-glucosamine

references:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=10990163

"The polyglucose beta-1,3-D-glucan is a major structural component of the cell wall of yeasts and fungi."

http://mic.sgmjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/150/7/2029

"The fungal kingdom is very diverse, with species growing as unicellular yeasts and/or branching hyphae that produce a remarkable array of spores and other reproductive structures. In each case, the shape and integrity of the fungus is dependent upon the mechanical strength of the cell wall, which performs a wide range of essential roles during the interaction of the fungus with its environment (Gooday, 1995Down). The fungal wall is a complex structure composed typically of chitin, 1,3-{beta}- and 1,6-{beta}-glucan, mannan and proteins, although wall composition frequently varies markedly between species of fungi. For diagrammatic representations of part or all of the cell wall of yeasts or filamentous fungi see recent reviews by Bernard & Latgé (2001)Down, McFadden & Casadevall (2001)Down, Smits et al. (2001)Down and Odds et al. (2003)"

http://jb.asm.org/cgi/content/abstract/181/16/4741

"The cell wall of Saccharomyces cerevisiae represents some 30% of the total weight of the cell and is made up of beta-glucans, mannose-containing glycoproteins (mannoproteins), and small amounts of chitin. The mannoproteins can be divided into three groups according to the linkages that bind them to the structure of the cell wall: (i) noncovalently bound, (ii) covalently bound to the structural glucan, and (iii) disulfide bound to other proteins that are themselves covalently bound to the structural glucan of the cell wall."

A nice text on fungal cell walls including schematics can be found here: http://www.palaeos.com/Fungi/FPieces/CellWall.html

--Spitfire ch 11:37, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.biologie.uni-hamburg.de/b-online/e33/33.htm says that "Constitute oomycetes a missing link or a group that cannot be counted among fungi at all? Oomycetes contain - in contrast to all other fungi – cell walls out of cellulose, their zoospores have two heterokont flagellae, and their thallus resembles that of some siphonal algae (Vaucheria, for example)." (Boldface added by me)and "Both plant and fungal cells are enclosed by a cell wall while animal cells have no such characteristic. This is true, and cell walls exist in prokaryotes (bacteria, blue-green algae), too. The walls of all three mentioned kingdoms have, nevertheless, different molecular compositions (they contain different molecular classes), their biosynthetic pathways and the way of their cellular growths are different. They are therefore not homologous.".

However, http://www.iscid.org/encyclopedia/Cell_Wall, says "Fungal cell walls are similar to plant cell walls in that they contain cellulose, but they also contain glucosamine and chitin, both common supplements in herbal remedies for arthritis.", so DO they actually contain cellouse?!
Then, http://www.botany.hawaii.edu/faculty/wong/BOT135/Lect03_b.htm says, "The mycelium or yeast cell is surrounded by a cell wall that is typically composed of chitin, the same material that makes up an insect's exoskeleton. However, one group of fungi that we will be studying has cell wall composed of cellulose, which is is the same material that is found in plant cells [...] However, those "fungi" with cellulose cell walls are no longer believed to be closely related to the fungi and have even been classified in a kingdom of their own." (Boldface added by me), so I guess they DON'T count as fungi?
Also, http://vilenski.org/science/safari/cellstructure/cellwall.html says "Note: fungal cell walls contain chitin instead of cellulose." Seems to me that fungi DON'T have cellouse cell walls.

Summary: Fungi DO NOT have cellulose walls. There are "fungi" with cellulose cell walls, but they are not actually fungi. Therefore, I'm going to try to change the paragraph... 169.229.121.94 00:37, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

algae

the word algae represents a large group of dfferent organisms from different phylogentic group. The green algae are thee large group of algae from which the embroyophytes(higher plants) emerged —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.111.146.214 (talk) 11:54, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but why have you posted this fact here? --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:06, 29 October 2008 (UTC)hey[reply]

Permiabilitty

Is the cell wall fully permeable?Rabidretardedolphinz 14:20, 23 December 2011 (UTC)awesome kid — Preceding unsigned comment added by DXproton (talk • contribs)

That depends on what you mean by "fully" and what kind of cell wall you're talking about. If you're talking about the primary cell wall of green plants, then it is fully permeable to the extent that water-soluble molecules and ions can pass through. Regulation of permeability is handled by the plasma membrane and any water-proof secondary walls. --EncycloPetey (talk) 17:32, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

which nasturtium is meant

The section on "Composition" states: "For example, endosperm cell walls in the seeds of cereal grasses, nasturtium, and other species, are rich in glucans and other polysaccharides."

Which kind of "nasturtium" is meant here? Is this Nasturtium (genus) or the plant commonly called "nasturium" that is actually in the genus Tropaeolum? --EncycloPetey (talk) 07:37, 30 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

comment on this project so it could be easy as possible.

‎120.138.12.156 Please sign your comments, and your question should appear here, not in the edit summary. Nasturtium is linked in the article to Tropaeolum majus. Plantsurfer 14:02, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Review

I am reviewing this article for class and one thing I didn’t understand is the “freely permeable” part in the permeability section of the article. That subject of permeability should be expanded to further understand the term “freely”. In the bacteria section of the article it talks about penicillin and it’s ability to prevent cross-linking in the peptidoglycan, this seems out of place to me when it comes to the importance of understand cells walls for bacteria. Maybe drugs affecting cell walls can have it’s own section in the article. Something simple to add would be images for molds and fungal cell walls since bacteria and algae have pictures to help understand what the cell walls look like.Kyellen94 (talk) 21:51, 30 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Plant Cell Walls

Overall, the plant cell wall section was very informational. However, there are a few edits I think would help enhance the article.

The links at the beginning of the "Composition" section are helpful, but a brief explanation of the relationship between each carbohydrate should be included. For example, why are all three needed? What are the weaknesses and benefits of each one that contribute to the structure and function of the cell wall?

The information on structural proteins is sufficient as a brief overview, but the reason why they are more prominent in specialized cells and in cell corners should be included.

In the “Formation” section, the theory of each model should be summarized.

There are very few citations throughout this section, especially under the “Composition” heading. Specifically, the place where the information of major polymers of wood was obtained should be cited.

Thank you! - Jedi Hannah (talk) 01:15, 1 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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grouping of eukariotes in the introductiory paragraph

Cell walls are present in most prokaryotes (except mollicute bacteria), in algae, fungi and eukaryotes including plants

The wording is a bit confusing here in that both algae and fungi are as much eukariotes as plants are. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.237.65.234 (talk) 15:50, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

you are quite right. I have reworded this sentence. Let me know if it is still confusing. Plantsurfer 19:10, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Please change "The gycopeptide antibiotics" to "The glycopeptide antibiotics" Similing Joker (talk) 10:20, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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change excrusion to excursion Johvdrie (talk) 14:04, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Johvdrie I think it is a word? Also, that part is quoted in the journal that is cited. Myrealnamm's Alternate Account (talk) 16:55, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is fascinating - that IS how the cited source spells the word. But they spell it as part of a quote attributed, apparently, to Hooke. However, they don't include ANY citation for the quote, and the Hooke original source doesn't include it. So I have no idea where it actually comes from.

That sentence ALSO reads like it's over the line on WP:CLOP. PianoDan (talk) 17:37, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. M.Bitton (talk) 19:12, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]